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Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion

Discussion in 'General Role Play Discussion' started by Shen: King of the Mist, Mar 19, 2018.

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Poll closed Oct 4, 2018.
  1. Written exam

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  2. ??? New exam

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  1. Early on in the fight Kakashi had a wall made behind Pain and had him cornered as he went for a Chidori only for Pain's Rinnegan to cast this visual trick.

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    Which caused Kakashi to miss point blank and scare/confuse him.
     
  2. Ah yes, he used that on Naruto as well. Not really sure what that is, but you make a fair point. Assuming this is indeed a genjutsu then that undermines the immunities abilities off all the Dojutsu.

    I would then reassess their genjutsu immunities as

    1. Ranmaru's Dojutsu | Rinnegan
    2. Everything else

    Their genjutsu skills would then be

    1. Ranmaru's Dojutsu | Rinnegan
    2. Sharingan | Ketsuryugan
    3. Byakugan
     
  3. But if the fire went counterclockwise, would it help the system? Any direction except clockwise should make the system stronger right?

    Oh and the first sentence will be Kiro landing on the ceiling. It was gonna be one of the last few sentences of my last post anyways. And besides, no matter what, Kiro can’t use his lightning armor/LCM (or whatever variation it is) just like that.
     
  4. Going counterclockwise would add to the system unless you performed certain measures which you'll need to figure out on your own.

    Counterclockwise helps the system, Clockwise opposes the system, other directions may just result in the flames being extinguished or blown back on Kiro. Depends on what you're trying to do really.

    Ah yes, the ceiling

    good luck with that.
     
  5. Kind of annoyed that’s being used against me. Does it really make that much of a difference? Wouldn’t the kunai still go to him?
     
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  6. I think you're misunderstanding something. Those Kunai and the ones Kiro threw are two different set of Kunai. The ones Kiro threw got deflected. These Kunai are something Sagisō's clone threw with the purpose of blowing up the ceiling so Kiro doesn't have anything to recover on.
     
  7. So the ceiling will be blown up before Kiro can land? I’m not trying to argue, but I just need some confirmations. Like will it actually destroy that part of the ceiling?
     
  8. precisely. The ceiling will be long gone before Kiro can stand upon it.
     
  9. Sorry for all the questions Kyuu.

    So does this mean the cyclone will extend through the roof? If this is the case, I’m assuming if Kiro takes a direct hit, he’ll also be sent flying outside through the hole.
     
  10. Bingo~

    No worries, questions now mean fewer corrections later.
     
  11. Swirled

    Swirled Previously Swirled

    Its hard to write quality posts when you have nothing to say...
     
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  12. You seemed to have posted your post twice
     
  13. Swirled

    Swirled Previously Swirled

    ? Elaborate
     
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  14. Well When I checked the RP thread your post appeared twice, what is there to elaborate on?
     
  15. Swirled

    Swirled Previously Swirled

    I thought thats what you meant but then I looked and I only saw it once, let me check again.
     
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  16. There's only one now but there was two last night when I first checked
     
  17. @kyuukestu

    Since I understand you were aiming to have the explosive tags activate before Kiro landed on the ceiling, I’m trying to figure where Kiro was when they passed him. Sagisō managed to take control of the kunai, deflect Kiro’s tagged kunai, and then spawn the clone that jumped over the shuriken. This same clone then ran quickly through the Makibishi field under Kiro. Then the clone starts the cyclone before her tagged kunai got into play.

    Throughout all of this, where exactly was Kiro? He was already high up when he threw back his kunai. So by the time Sagisō deflected them, shouldn’t he have been higher? If not the ceiling, maybe already going down? His trajectory was towards the ceiling so I don’t think that would work. I’m fine if you say the ceiling is pretty high tho lel

    Also, if Kiro is still moving through the air, then where exactly did the clone under him stop? Can I assume you meant to start the cyclone under the spot Kiro would’ve landed on? If that’s the case, either Kiro was floating in the air or Sagisō is just insanely fast to be able to reach there before he did.
     
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  18. Alright, I'm going to go through this one line by line, but since this is the conclusion I'll get back to in momentarily.
    If we want to estimate the chronology of the sequence then there are many things at play, particularly, I'll have to speak about the chronology of how I visualized the scene since that's what Sagisō's post was Based on.

    Now, since Sagisō tried to kick Kiro, I think we can all agree he'd within 2 meters of her, right? Less than 2 meters for sure because Sagisō's legs are 2+ m long.

    Since the Kunai knives were close enough for Kiro to bend down and grab them, they must've been within arms reach. Assuming Kiro's arms are about 1 m long (which we're gonna say makes perfect sense), the total distance between Sagisō and the Kunai would've been 3 meters.

    That means when Kiro sprung the levers, the Kunai would've only needed to travel 3 m before encountering Sagisō. How much time would this take? Let's call it 1-2 seconds.

    Disregarding our earlier estimate let's hit up some bath to produce some accurate values. The fastest recorded baseball pitch is 105.1 mph or 46.98 m/s. We'll be using those values as a low-ball. (Being pulled with the same force that launched a human that kunai would've been going faster than anything a regular pitcher could've thrown. Accounting for the fact that a kunai is more aerodynamic than a baseball and it would've gotten another slight speed boost.)

    Now, with our earlier estimates that there are only 3 m between the Kunai and Sagisō, and our assumption that the kunai is traveling at least 4.698 m/s. That means that the Kunai would've covered those 3 meters in approximately 0.064 seconds.

    So the question becomes how far could Kiro have gone in 6 hundredths of a second? Well, not very far :v

    In fact, scrutinizing it closely, since they were launched from the same power source (Force) {A force we'll call 1000 N just for calculation's sake.) you can mathematically work out the acceleration of the Kunai relative to Kiro.

    So taking F = ma, where (for those who didn't do physics)

    F = force
    m = mass
    a = acceleration

    we can say

    1000 = ma

    now we need some values for the mass of Kiro and the Kunai, and we can work out the acceleration.

    The average throwing knife is about 200 grams or 0.2 kilograms.

    So plugging in those values;

    1000 = 0.2 a
    1000/0.2 = 5000 ms^2

    Let's say Kiro is supppppppppppper light for his age so that the force has a greater effect on him. Let's call that 40 kilograms, which is about 88 pounds.

    1000 = 40a
    1000/40 = 25 ms^2

    So the kunai would've easily been accelerating around 200 times faster than Kiro.

    To be very strict to science and calculations the Kunai would've overtaken Kiro in seconds.

    buuuuuut, for the sake of the RP we'll be ignoring all of that :D

    So in 1-2 seconds, Kiro got to like what... 20m in height traveling 10m each second? Idk. I don't exactly have a value for how fast he was going so estimation falls flat here.


    If we come up with an exact or good estimated value for Kiro's speed then you can use Newton's equations of motion to calculate the distance he would've traveled. If memory serves me right the equation you want it;

    s = ut + 1/2at^2

    where (for those who don't do physics)

    t - time
    u - intial velocity
    a - acceleration
    s - displacement

    acceleration will be -9.81 which will be gravity, and of course, time will be 2 seconds.



    He could've been farther, but then again he would've risked just slamming through the roof in like 2 seconds flat. I assume his initial acceleration isn't super crazy since you mentioned he was being careful not to hit the roof. That means Kiro's actually going pretty slowly since a regular human can run at 10+ m/s so he actually would've been flying slower than Sagisō can run.


    To avoid the above scenario we must assume Kiro's vertical velocity (the rate at which he gains altitude) is slower than Sagisō's horizontal velocity (the speed at which she can run), or that the Ceiling in the Hyūga hall is like 50m tall or something. Whichever one works for you.

    Strictly speaking about vertical velocity, either way, he's either so slow that Sagisō could've easily outpaced him, or he's got a good distance till the ceiling, in which case Sagisō's got plenty of time.




    The above is remedied by calling his flight projectile motion, and that the main vector of his velocity would've been horizontal

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    In that case what you're really relying on is that his horizontal velocity allowed her to move farther across the room that Sagisō would've been able to catch up to in a short space of time.
    I think the stuff I said above either answered this question or made everything more confused. For best or for worst eh?

    The clone starts the cyclone, but to be truthful the kunai will reach Kiro before the cyclone does. The clone used the cyclone as extra propulsion so the updraft of the cyclone would've added to the velocity of the kunai.

    Well, I'd have to ask you that question. How close to the ceiling was Kiro?

    If you read through the whole first spoiler, then that sorta answered this question. But lemme rehash it here.

    Simply put the Kunai are actually moving faster than Kiro, so they'd have actually reached the ceiling before him :v

    If we say they're moving at about the same speed as Kiro, then by the time Kiro got to throwing the Kunai the Kunai Sagisō took control of would've been right behind him.

    The paper bombed Kunai would've got deflected barely seconds after he'd thrown them.
    See the diagram on Projectile motion to see which this could very well be possible. Though the ceiling could also just be very high. I'm actually fine with whichever one you think works out better for you.

    You can indeed assume that, but because the cyclone would've sucked things in .i.e the airborne Kiro, it actually would've have mattered.

    To answer this question we first need to answer the question of Is the Hyūga ceiling just really really high? or Is Kiro just moving really really slow?

    Athlete level humans are going 10m/s on a regular so let's scale Sagisō to an athlete for a moment.

    The Kunai will definitely reach and get deflected by Sagisō before Kiro can hit his 'peak height'. + 2 seconds

    Forming the clone. + 2 seconds (cause why not.)

    Since everything is happening simultaneously we'll say that about here Kiro threw his Kunai.

    So all in all, by the time the clone started moving Kiro would've had around 4 seconds air time. To outpace Sagisō, Kiro needs to be moving at the very least, faster than 10 meters per second. So in those first 4 seconds, Kiro would've cleared at least 40+ meters, so that's at a bare minimum how tall the ceiling needs to be for this to sorta kinda work out.



    So that's how it is mathematically, but since this is fiction we're going to selectively ignore half of that.
    His target was the kunai, so I don't really know if he ever intended to reach the ceiling. When he starting tucking and front flipping, I kinda assumed that he wasn't planning on going any further up.

    That being said, it could very well be that he was only grabbing the Kunai on the way to the ceiling. So I mean...yea, he could've totally reached the ceiling before Sagisō's clone got under him. I just interpreted it otherwise.
     
    #25538 kyuukestu, Jan 21, 2019
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  19. All that being said, we're not gonna sweat the details. Just focus on the veeeeery last stuff that I said and we'll run from there.
     
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  20. "Don't focus on the details"

    Says the one who made graphs.
     
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  21. kyuu: *writes complex essay focusing on details*

    kyuu: *scraps essay cause it means too much work to follow up*

    So yea, don't focus on the details.
     
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  22. Swirled

    Swirled Previously Swirled

    So besides Sagiso vs Kiro(which is happening right now) what is the most hyped up fight between cast members?
     
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  23. Swirled

    Swirled Previously Swirled

    Said by the man who makes so many walls of text Trump would get jealous.
     
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  24. Henshina Vs the sound is the only other fight so I guess that
     
  25. Shen: King of the Mist

    Shen: King of the Mist Previously Shen: Ghost Gym Leader

    Yeah a reply on that would be nice.


    Hyped up fight? Hm... Azumi Vs Kiro MK II
     
  26. Shen: King of the Mist

    Shen: King of the Mist Previously Shen: Ghost Gym Leader

    Things are progressing...agonizingly slow
     
  27. Nukas

    Nukas Previously Kid_Nukas

    Was about to work on a post, I have plenty of time since I just got out of an exam
     
  28. Blame school.

    -----Working on replies when I can, have them up as soon a I can.-----
     
    #25548 Godjacob, Jan 22, 2019
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  29. I propose for the next arc we forbid Godjacob from having 20 OC participants!!

    Between;

    Pakura
    Madoka
    Tomiko
    Tayuya (Past and Present)
    Takato
    Kenji
    Darui
    Kakashi
    Sakura
    Azumi


    it's a wonder we're making any significant progress at all.
     
  30. Shen: King of the Mist

    Shen: King of the Mist Previously Shen: Ghost Gym Leader

    Good point there...*flashbacks to invasion arc*
     
  31. In my defense.

    A. I am not the one who decided to make every arc a multi-nation battle event that requires a ton of characters to work properly.
    B. It's not my fault that (Minus an exception or two) nobody cares about Iwa, Suna or Kumo. They need representation.
     
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  32. Swirled

    Swirled Previously Swirled

    I agree.
     
  33. Well it wasn't an attack against you, I just pointed out that your workload is completely disproportionate, ensuing arcs should probably be revised to address your second point.
     
    #25553 kyuukestu, Jan 22, 2019
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  34. Speaking of post stuff.

    Shen I am not sure what to do. Legit Baiyan bailed on you and now Azumi has like....no reason not to just strike you down given your lack of answer or anything XD
     
  35. Shen: King of the Mist

    Shen: King of the Mist Previously Shen: Ghost Gym Leader

    Then do what Azumi would do. Put yourself in the characters shoes and do what they would
     
  36. Azumi would probably kill Reaver right there and now
     
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  37. Alright, I will do what I think Azumi will do here. Thankfully this is not me a couple days ago or we'd for sure have a dead Reaver now. As it stands, not looking good but I will explore options to see what is natural for her.

    Also gotta make an emergency store run. Sorry mother needs the help. Be back ASAP to complete/post the draft.
     
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  38. No idea if I should post or wait for Rohan to react to the fight first...
     
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  39. Shen: King of the Mist

    Shen: King of the Mist Previously Shen: Ghost Gym Leader

    He sure is taking a while...
    @Rohan Kishibe , your up
     
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  40. This should confirm Sagisō is the one who destroys the training hall lel

    I couldn’t decide what to do so I made the tornado even more powerful...
     
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