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Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion

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Retro Master

Retro Master

@kyuukestu

Since I understand you were aiming to have the explosive tags activate before Kiro landed on the ceiling, I’m trying to figure where Kiro was when they passed him. Sagisō managed to take control of the kunai, deflect Kiro’s tagged kunai, and then spawn the clone that jumped over the shuriken. This same clone then ran quickly through the Makibishi field under Kiro. Then the clone starts the cyclone before her tagged kunai got into play.

Throughout all of this, where exactly was Kiro? He was already high up when he threw back his kunai. So by the time Sagisō deflected them, shouldn’t he have been higher? If not the ceiling, maybe already going down? His trajectory was towards the ceiling so I don’t think that would work. I’m fine if you say the ceiling is pretty high tho lel

Also, if Kiro is still moving through the air, then where exactly did the clone under him stop? Can I assume you meant to start the cyclone under the spot Kiro would’ve landed on? If that’s the case, either Kiro was floating in the air or Sagisō is just insanely fast to be able to reach there before he did.
 
kyuukestu

kyuukestu

Retro Master said:
@kyuukestu

Since I understand you were aiming to have the explosive tags activate before Kiro landed on the ceiling, I’m trying to figure where Kiro was when they passed him.
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Alright, I'm going to go through this one line by line, but since this is the conclusion I'll get back to in momentarily.
Retro Master said:
Sagisō managed to take control of the kunai, deflect Kiro’s tagged kunai, and then spawn the clone that jumped over the shuriken.
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If we want to estimate the chronology of the sequence then there are many things at play, particularly, I'll have to speak about the chronology of how I visualized the scene since that's what Sagisō's post was Based on.

Now, since Sagisō tried to kick Kiro, I think we can all agree he'd within 2 meters of her, right? Less than 2 meters for sure because Sagisō's legs are 2+ m long.

Since the Kunai knives were close enough for Kiro to bend down and grab them, they must've been within arms reach. Assuming Kiro's arms are about 1 m long (which we're gonna say makes perfect sense), the total distance between Sagisō and the Kunai would've been 3 meters.

That means when Kiro sprung the levers, the Kunai would've only needed to travel 3 m before encountering Sagisō. How much time would this take? Let's call it 1-2 seconds.

Disregarding our earlier estimate let's hit up some bath to produce some accurate values. The fastest recorded baseball pitch is 105.1 mph or 46.98 m/s. We'll be using those values as a low-ball. (Being pulled with the same force that launched a human that kunai would've been going faster than anything a regular pitcher could've thrown. Accounting for the fact that a kunai is more aerodynamic than a baseball and it would've gotten another slight speed boost.)

Now, with our earlier estimates that there are only 3 m between the Kunai and Sagisō, and our assumption that the kunai is traveling at least 4.698 m/s. That means that the Kunai would've covered those 3 meters in approximately 0.064 seconds.

So the question becomes how far could Kiro have gone in 6 hundredths of a second? Well, not very far :v

In fact, scrutinizing it closely, since they were launched from the same power source (Force) {A force we'll call 1000 N just for calculation's sake.) you can mathematically work out the acceleration of the Kunai relative to Kiro.

So taking F = ma, where (for those who didn't do physics)

F = force
m = mass
a = acceleration

we can say

1000 = ma

now we need some values for the mass of Kiro and the Kunai, and we can work out the acceleration.

The average throwing knife is about 200 grams or 0.2 kilograms.

So plugging in those values;

1000 = 0.2 a
1000/0.2 = 5000 ms^2

Let's say Kiro is supppppppppppper light for his age so that the force has a greater effect on him. Let's call that 40 kilograms, which is about 88 pounds.

1000 = 40a
1000/40 = 25 ms^2

So the kunai would've easily been accelerating around 200 times faster than Kiro.

To be very strict to science and calculations the Kunai would've overtaken Kiro in seconds.

buuuuuut, for the sake of the RP we'll be ignoring all of that :D

So in 1-2 seconds, Kiro got to like what... 20m in height traveling 10m each second? Idk. I don't exactly have a value for how fast he was going so estimation falls flat here.


If we come up with an exact or good estimated value for Kiro's speed then you can use Newton's equations of motion to calculate the distance he would've traveled. If memory serves me right the equation you want it;

s = ut + 1/2at^2

where (for those who don't do physics)

t - time
u - intial velocity
a - acceleration
s - displacement

acceleration will be -9.81 which will be gravity, and of course, time will be 2 seconds.



He could've been farther, but then again he would've risked just slamming through the roof in like 2 seconds flat. I assume his initial acceleration isn't super crazy since you mentioned he was being careful not to hit the roof. That means Kiro's actually going pretty slowly since a regular human can run at 10+ m/s so he actually would've been flying slower than Sagisō can run.


To avoid the above scenario we must assume Kiro's vertical velocity (the rate at which he gains altitude) is slower than Sagisō's horizontal velocity (the speed at which she can run), or that the Ceiling in the Hyūga hall is like 50m tall or something. Whichever one works for you.

Strictly speaking about vertical velocity, either way, he's either so slow that Sagisō could've easily outpaced him, or he's got a good distance till the ceiling, in which case Sagisō's got plenty of time.




The above is remedied by calling his flight projectile motion, and that the main vector of his velocity would've been horizontal

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In that case what you're really relying on is that his horizontal velocity allowed her to move farther across the room that Sagisō would've been able to catch up to in a short space of time.
Retro Master said:
This same clone then ran quickly through the Makibishi field under Kiro.
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I think the stuff I said above either answered this question or made everything more confused. For best or for worst eh?

Retro Master said:
Then the clone starts the cyclone before her tagged kunai got into play.
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The clone starts the cyclone, but to be truthful the kunai will reach Kiro before the cyclone does. The clone used the cyclone as extra propulsion so the updraft of the cyclone would've added to the velocity of the kunai.

Retro Master said:
Throughout all of this, where exactly was Kiro? He was already high up when he threw back his kunai.
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Well, I'd have to ask you that question. How close to the ceiling was Kiro?

Retro Master said:
So by the time Sagisō deflected them, shouldn’t he have been higher?
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If you read through the whole first spoiler, then that sorta answered this question. But lemme rehash it here.

Simply put the Kunai are actually moving faster than Kiro, so they'd have actually reached the ceiling before him :v

If we say they're moving at about the same speed as Kiro, then by the time Kiro got to throwing the Kunai the Kunai Sagisō took control of would've been right behind him.

The paper bombed Kunai would've got deflected barely seconds after he'd thrown them.
Retro Master said:
If not the ceiling, maybe already going down? His trajectory was towards the ceiling so I don’t think that would work. I’m fine if you say the ceiling is pretty high tho lel
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See the diagram on Projectile motion to see which this could very well be possible. Though the ceiling could also just be very high. I'm actually fine with whichever one you think works out better for you.

Retro Master said:
Also, if Kiro is still moving through the air, then where exactly did the clone under him stop? Can I assume you meant to start the cyclone under the spot Kiro would’ve landed on?
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You can indeed assume that, but because the cyclone would've sucked things in .i.e the airborne Kiro, it actually would've have mattered.

Retro Master said:
If that’s the case, either Kiro was floating in the air or Sagisō is just insanely fast to be able to reach there before he did.
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To answer this question we first need to answer the question of Is the Hyūga ceiling just really really high? or Is Kiro just moving really really slow?

Athlete level humans are going 10m/s on a regular so let's scale Sagisō to an athlete for a moment.

The Kunai will definitely reach and get deflected by Sagisō before Kiro can hit his 'peak height'. + 2 seconds

Forming the clone. + 2 seconds (cause why not.)

Since everything is happening simultaneously we'll say that about here Kiro threw his Kunai.

So all in all, by the time the clone started moving Kiro would've had around 4 seconds air time. To outpace Sagisō, Kiro needs to be moving at the very least, faster than 10 meters per second. So in those first 4 seconds, Kiro would've cleared at least 40+ meters, so that's at a bare minimum how tall the ceiling needs to be for this to sorta kinda work out.



So that's how it is mathematically, but since this is fiction we're going to selectively ignore half of that.
Retro Master said:
Kiro’s trajectory was towards the ceiling. To be exact, he was going directly for the tagged kunai still in the air. Timing the movements perfectly, with his arms up by his ears, Kiro reached for the two kunai. Nearly cutting himself, Kiro grabbed his tagged kunai off of Sagisō’s before moving his arms slightly back. As he began to start his tuck, Kiro threw his arms forward as momentum to start the rotation. Performing a partial front flip, Kiro threw both kunai downwards at Sagisō with the full intent of having the explosive tags activate once close enough.
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His target was the kunai, so I don't really know if he ever intended to reach the ceiling. When he starting tucking and front flipping, I kinda assumed that he wasn't planning on going any further up.

That being said, it could very well be that he was only grabbing the Kunai on the way to the ceiling. So I mean...yea, he could've totally reached the ceiling before Sagisō's clone got under him. I just interpreted it otherwise.
 
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Godjacob

Godjacob

kyuukestu said:
I propose for the next arc we forbid Godjacob from having 20 OC participants!!

Between;

Pakura
Madoka
Tomiko
Tayuya (Past and Present)
Takato
Kenji
Darui
Kakashi
Sakura
Azumi


it's a wonder we're making any significant progress at all.
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In my defense.

A. I am not the one who decided to make every arc a multi-nation battle event that requires a ton of characters to work properly.
B. It's not my fault that (Minus an exception or two) nobody cares about Iwa, Suna or Kumo. They need representation.
 
kyuukestu

kyuukestu

Godjacob said:
In my defense.

A. I am not the one who decided to make every arc a multi-nation battle event that requires a ton of characters to work properly.
B. It's not my fault that (Minus an exception or two) nobody cares about Iwa, Suna or Kumo. They need representation.
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Well it wasn't an attack against you, I just pointed out that your workload is completely disproportionate, ensuing arcs should probably be revised to address your second point.
 
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Godjacob

Godjacob

Shen: Ghost Gym Leader said:
Then do what Azumi would do. Put yourself in the characters shoes and do what they would
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Alright, I will do what I think Azumi will do here. Thankfully this is not me a couple days ago or we'd for sure have a dead Reaver now. As it stands, not looking good but I will explore options to see what is natural for her.

Also gotta make an emergency store run. Sorry mother needs the help. Be back ASAP to complete/post the draft.
 
kyuukestu

kyuukestu

Hinagiku: The sun is shining, the birds are singing and the gentle caresses of the wind are so pleasant. *sips tea*

Hyuga Witness: *bursts through the door* Lady Hinagiku, the Uchiha burned down the training hall!

Hinagiku: *spews tea* ...

Also Hinagiku: *rubs head to soothe incoming headache* we're going to rebuilt it...and Fugaku's going to pay for it.
 
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Shen: King of Digimon

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
kyuukestu said:
It has come to my attention that Konoha's actually pretty shit. Like, the Daimyo must be fiscally inept to somehow have the most abundant resources of the Great Nations but still have an economy worst that a desolate field of rocks and dust where they're so destitute it actually rains rocks there :T
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I suppose when you have such lush resources that it all goes to your head. He never needed to learn how to milk everything out of the resources when he has had plenty. There’s never been a need
 
kyuukestu

kyuukestu

Shen: Ghost Gym Leader said:
I suppose when you have such lush resources that it all goes to your head. He never needed to learn how to milk everything out of the resources when he has had plenty. There’s never been a need
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It shouldn't be that bad though. It literally Rains rocks in Iwa, they're a whole different level of destitute. A Land as Rich in resources as Konoha shouldn't have less than Half Iwa's Economic strength :T

Tomiko's dirt poor, but honestly that would've just implied a very large income inequality. Iwa is probably super-capitalist. Konoha is just...bad. I don't even know how to describe their economy in a sort of redeemable way. Iwa, and Suna at least have named specialist and methods of generating income, and Kumo is has tourist destinations, but Konoha? I mean, I'd expect that kind of Economy from the Mist, since they're a mess, but not Konoha :T
 
Shen: King of Digimon

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
kyuukestu said:
It shouldn't be that bad though. It literally Rains rocks in Iwa, they're a whole different level of destitute. A Land as Rich in resources as Konoha shouldn't have less than Half Iwa's Economic strength :T

Tomiko's dirt poor, but honestly that would've just implied a very large income inequality. Iwa is probably super-capitalist. Konoha is just...bad. I don't even know how to describe their economy in a sort of redeemable way. Iwa, and Suna at least have named specialist and methods of generating income, and Kumo is has tourist destinations, but Konoha? I mean, I'd expect that kind of Economy from the Mist, since they're a mess, but not Konoha :T
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Hold up. Record scratch. The mist?

I think they have the best source of income being a harbor based costal village.
 
kyuukestu

kyuukestu

Shen: Ghost Gym Leader said:
Hold up. Record scratch. The mist?

I think they have the best source of income being a harbor based costal village.
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Yea, but their internals are garbage. They're plagued by civil war and it's a miracle they're even an intact state. Where Konoha's leadership is just inept at making money, the Mist's leadership is just inept at running a country. Konoha, Kiri, and Suna are actually on par with regards to economic power.
 
Shen: King of Digimon

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
kyuukestu said:
Yea, but their internals are garbage. They're plagued by civil war and it's a miracle they're even an intact state. Where Konoha's leadership is just inept at making money, the Mist's leadership is just inept at running a country. Konoha, Kiri, and Suna are actually on par with regards to economic power.
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False. Suna needed to rely on trade with both in order to sustain itself, even outright money given by the leaf. Suna isn’t on par with either

While in canon they were racked with civil war, in this AU, the Yuki kept more of a sustained state. This also ended most of the bloodline purging and most of the damage the civil war caused, limiting casualties, destruction, and thus workforce and efficiency
 
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