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Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion
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Mmmk, while we wait for that.
@Grand Master Koop since you'll be controlling the Hyūga Clan for a while what do you plan to do?
@Grand Master Koop since you'll be controlling the Hyūga Clan for a while what do you plan to do?
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Jin would only overthrow when they can no longer trust mei’s Judgment and she is seen as an active threat to the mist. This hasn’t happened yet
Can’t wait to see Kai or Jin wearing that Mizukage hat
Fumu, I see.
However, what does Jin see in the Mist's future?
Mei's hardly the type to go the isolationist route.
Mei: After all, I've done for you...Can’t wait to see Kai or Jin wearing that Mizukage hat
Kiro's a bloody backstabber after all ~w~
I will answer later
...you did think of something right?
*Squints*
Well, whatever. Hina's going to be on vacation. Will leave the businesses to Natsu.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Jin wants a fortified, fortress city that can withstand any attack. He also wants it so beautifully designed in structure that it radiates the superiority to that of the foreigner. He wants the mist to be a self sufficient utopia that cuts itself off from the toxic nature of the world to ascend to greater heights
Up to cutting themselves off from the rest of the world is fine with Mei. Isolationism will only have the opposite effect in the long run. They'll develop slower than the rest of the world.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Not if you have the fallen empire effect of having everything you need that is superior on your side of the fence in comparison to the rest of the world.
Well, I’m really not sure if I have anything to initiate, I will see what happens while you’re gone and react according.
Even then you'll only be superior for a short amount of time.
Ancient China did indeed have such a fallen empire effect by 1000 AD they were leagues beyond the rest of the world, being the first to develop Gunpowder and Books. They were so beyond everyone else that 400 years later during the Ming Dynasty, which was already past China's glory days, they were still far enough ahead to carry out Zheng He's Treasure Voyages. These were trips around the world designed specifically to show off the wealth and power of the Chinese Dynasty and boy did they show it off.
Behold one of Zheng He's ships compared to say, Christopher Columbus'
The Ming fleet has over 60 such ships, accompanies by near 200 smaller ones.
They were ahead, way ahead, but following dynasties did indeed practice isolationism and kept their nose stuck up and 400 years later by the 1800s they got shafted twice by the British Empire & the French, and hardly a century later they were being bullied by Japan.
Behold one of Zheng He's ships compared to say, Christopher Columbus'
The Ming fleet has over 60 such ships, accompanies by near 200 smaller ones.
They were ahead, way ahead, but following dynasties did indeed practice isolationism and kept their nose stuck up and 400 years later by the 1800s they got shafted twice by the British Empire & the French, and hardly a century later they were being bullied by Japan.
Speaking of Japan in my last example, they also went isolationist at one point. By the similar 1800 when they actually began interacting with the outside world they realized they'd be far outclassed by the technological advancements of foreign countries.
To prove that Japan was indeed a power to be reckoned with, we'll go a bit further back in history. Just after the warring states era under the leadership of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Japan invaded Korea and in around 3 months they all bout routed the entire Korean army. They were, however, driven back later by guerilla tactics, assistance from Ming China (the same Chinese dynasty with the treasure fleets) and the death of their leader.
Though again, by the 1800s they realized isolationism wasn't working out and they simply couldn't keep up with the advancement of other nations.
See Meiji Restoration.
To prove that Japan was indeed a power to be reckoned with, we'll go a bit further back in history. Just after the warring states era under the leadership of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Japan invaded Korea and in around 3 months they all bout routed the entire Korean army. They were, however, driven back later by guerilla tactics, assistance from Ming China (the same Chinese dynasty with the treasure fleets) and the death of their leader.
Though again, by the 1800s they realized isolationism wasn't working out and they simply couldn't keep up with the advancement of other nations.
See Meiji Restoration.
Buuuut, maybe that's just an eastern powers thing.
So let's take a look at Russia next.
We'll start with the most famous of Russian Tsars, the Greats.
First off, Peter the Great. He's remembered as the Great specifically because he was able to advance Russia after interacting with the other European nations (He went on an entire trip around Europe) and implementing better policies and reforms.
He spent several years in the Northern War try to get ports of the Baltic sea because he wanted to make it easier for Russia to interact with the Europe nations. The exchange of culture and knowledge among the other nations was quite important to him.
The second Great we'll reference is Catherine the Great, who coincidentally followed the same ideology as Peter the Great and expanded and improved Russia through accommodation of policies from other countries, to this day her rule is considered one of Russia's golden ages.
As you may or may not know, by the 1900s Russia's stagnation in reforms and a bunch of other factors resulted in the collapse of the Tsarist government.
Of course, communism was next and that also came with some trade and interact problems. Long story short, USSR collapse, American win Yadda yadda.
That last part is a bit irrelevant, but the communist countries did stagnate as Capitalist countries refused to trade with them, eventually forcing them into something similar to isolationism.
First off, Peter the Great. He's remembered as the Great specifically because he was able to advance Russia after interacting with the other European nations (He went on an entire trip around Europe) and implementing better policies and reforms.
He spent several years in the Northern War try to get ports of the Baltic sea because he wanted to make it easier for Russia to interact with the Europe nations. The exchange of culture and knowledge among the other nations was quite important to him.
The second Great we'll reference is Catherine the Great, who coincidentally followed the same ideology as Peter the Great and expanded and improved Russia through accommodation of policies from other countries, to this day her rule is considered one of Russia's golden ages.
As you may or may not know, by the 1900s Russia's stagnation in reforms and a bunch of other factors resulted in the collapse of the Tsarist government.
Of course, communism was next and that also came with some trade and interact problems. Long story short, USSR collapse, American win Yadda yadda.
That last part is a bit irrelevant, but the communist countries did stagnate as Capitalist countries refused to trade with them, eventually forcing them into something similar to isolationism.
Very long story short, isolationism doesn't help a country. You don't need to be in bed with other nations, but basic trade and diplomatic relations are necessary simply to keep up with all the technological, social, and other advancements in the outside world.
No one nation could match that.
Germany tried to match the world...and lost twice, and they even had allies :T
And the idea that Nazi Germany single-handedly took on Russia, Britain, France, and America is quite wrong. Russia had actually dropped out of the war before America joined, and France was kinda...conquered. There was the Free French of course, but Germany never really handled all the other major powers at once.
Don’t try to argue with Historical evidence Shen
Anyways Kyuu, I’m really not sure what I am supposed to plan ahead with
On request, let's micro-analyze WW II (Mirco loosely because I'm just gonna be surface level about things)
Through diplomacy Hitler managed to absorb Czechoslovakia, he kinda just pressured the allies and they accepted in vain efforts to avoid a war. Before World War II even started (officially) Germany had already expanded to absorb Czechoslovakia and Austria who both capitulated without a peep.
Without a single bullet being shot, Germany at the start of WW2 was already wielding the resources of around 3 countries.
The first official battle was the invasion of Poland which wasn't even Germany alone but was a combined offensive with the Soviet Union.
After that they turned east, using the famous Blitzkrieg or lightning war, against French troops. They didn't even directly attack France head-on as the French-German border had the Maginot line which ran along their German border. Instead, they sought to invade through Belgium and Holland.
This was kind of a feint as they then invaded through the Ardennes (a section of forestry thought to be impassable) and in 6 weeks France was officially out of the battle.
After that Hilter turned on the USSR and it was Germany vs Britain, Russia, and the Free French, with American support in the form of supplies. It should be noted that Hitler turned on Russia because he needed oil to run all those war machines Germany was pumping out, so they needed Soviet Oil fields.
Once Russia got knocked out of the War with the Bolshevik rebellion and all sorts of history stuff, America joined in and Germany was overwhelmed.
While superior technologically in many areas, facing off against the rest of the world is just nigh impossible, with a direct approach anyway.
Take for example the KMS Bismarck
Cough, I meant
The peak of German engineering and all that good stuff, likely one of the most powerful battleship to have ever set sail. However. though it outclassed all the allied ships it got mobbed by sheer numbers.
It sunk at least 4 British ships, including the Pride of the Royal Navy, HMS Hood
I meant, this Hood
but in the long run it didn't really matter.
The loss of the single German ship the Bismarck was more devastating to the Germans than the losses inflicted because of the sheer number of resources the allies could bring to bust. Even sinking four times its numbers it just didn't pan it.
It took a hell of a lot of ships to take down the Bismarck (HMS Victorious, Ark Royal, Hood, Prince of Wales, Dorsetshire, etc.)
but that sort of throw numbers at it tactic is just the sort of thing you can do when you have access to the full-on resources of the world.
That's all to say, trade and diplomacy good, isolationism bad. Even if it's just to benefit yourself with access to resources.
Through diplomacy Hitler managed to absorb Czechoslovakia, he kinda just pressured the allies and they accepted in vain efforts to avoid a war. Before World War II even started (officially) Germany had already expanded to absorb Czechoslovakia and Austria who both capitulated without a peep.
Without a single bullet being shot, Germany at the start of WW2 was already wielding the resources of around 3 countries.
The first official battle was the invasion of Poland which wasn't even Germany alone but was a combined offensive with the Soviet Union.
After that they turned east, using the famous Blitzkrieg or lightning war, against French troops. They didn't even directly attack France head-on as the French-German border had the Maginot line which ran along their German border. Instead, they sought to invade through Belgium and Holland.
This was kind of a feint as they then invaded through the Ardennes (a section of forestry thought to be impassable) and in 6 weeks France was officially out of the battle.
After that Hilter turned on the USSR and it was Germany vs Britain, Russia, and the Free French, with American support in the form of supplies. It should be noted that Hitler turned on Russia because he needed oil to run all those war machines Germany was pumping out, so they needed Soviet Oil fields.
Once Russia got knocked out of the War with the Bolshevik rebellion and all sorts of history stuff, America joined in and Germany was overwhelmed.
While superior technologically in many areas, facing off against the rest of the world is just nigh impossible, with a direct approach anyway.
Take for example the KMS Bismarck
Cough, I meant
The peak of German engineering and all that good stuff, likely one of the most powerful battleship to have ever set sail. However. though it outclassed all the allied ships it got mobbed by sheer numbers.
It sunk at least 4 British ships, including the Pride of the Royal Navy, HMS Hood
I meant, this Hood
but in the long run it didn't really matter.
The loss of the single German ship the Bismarck was more devastating to the Germans than the losses inflicted because of the sheer number of resources the allies could bring to bust. Even sinking four times its numbers it just didn't pan it.
It took a hell of a lot of ships to take down the Bismarck (HMS Victorious, Ark Royal, Hood, Prince of Wales, Dorsetshire, etc.)
but that sort of throw numbers at it tactic is just the sort of thing you can do when you have access to the full-on resources of the world.
That's all to say, trade and diplomacy good, isolationism bad. Even if it's just to benefit yourself with access to resources.
Pervert Madoka and Uncle Kiro have now shown up. Almost the entire family is there lmao
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Only grand daddy Orochimaru, mom Tomiko, and rat momman left
Nukas
Previously Kid_Nukas
Why do I feel like Kyuu went through this whole spiel just to make the jokes about the shipsOn request, let's micro-analyze WW II (Mirco loosely because I'm just gonna be surface level about things)
Through diplomacy Hitler managed to absorb Czechoslovakia, he kinda just pressured the allies and they accepted in vain efforts to avoid a war. Before World War II even started (officially) Germany had already expanded to absorb Czechoslovakia and Austria who both capitulated without a peep.
Without a single bullet being shot, Germany at the start of WW2 was already wielding the resources of around 3 countries.
The first official battle was the invasion of Poland which wasn't even Germany alone but was a combined offensive with the Soviet Union.
After that they turned east, using the famous Blitzkrieg or lightning war, against French troops. They didn't even directly attack France head-on as the French-German border had the Maginot line which ran along their German border. Instead, they sought to invade through Belgium and Holland.
This was kind of a feint as they then invaded through the Ardennes (a section of forestry thought to be impassable) and in 6 weeks France was officially out of the battle.
After that Hilter turned on the USSR and it was Germany vs Britain, Russia, and the Free French, with American support in the form of supplies. It should be noted that Hitler turned on Russia because he needed oil to run all those war machines Germany was pumping out, so they needed Soviet Oil fields.
Once Russia got knocked out of the War with the Bolshevik rebellion and all sorts of history stuff, America joined in and Germany was overwhelmed.
While superior technologically in many areas, facing off against the rest of the world is just nigh impossible, with a direct approach anyway.
Take for example the KMS Bismarck
Cough, I meant
The peak of German engineering and all that good stuff, likely one of the most powerful battleship to have ever set sail. However. though it outclassed all the allied ships it got mobbed by sheer numbers.
It sunk at least 4 British ships, including the Pride of the Royal Navy, HMS Hood
I meant, this Hood
but in the long run it didn't really matter.
The loss of the single German ship the Bismarck was more devastating to the Germans than the losses inflicted because of the sheer number of resources the allies could bring to bust. Even sinking four times its numbers it just didn't pan it.
It took a hell of a lot of ships to take down the Bismarck (HMS Victorious, Ark Royal, Hood, Prince of Wales, Dorsetshire, etc.)
but that sort of throw numbers at it tactic is just the sort of thing you can do when you have access to the full-on resources of the world.
That's all to say, trade and diplomacy good, isolationism bad. Even if it's just to benefit yourself with access to resources.
Eh, sounds like him
Doesn't make his points less valid
Doesn't make his points less valid
Nukas
Previously Kid_Nukas
Didn't say it did, I still feel like it's the only reason he started the spiel anyway. Actually educating us was just a bonus.
So what do we do now?
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
There a kaiju to face and interactions to be had by people you may not have a chance to meet with for a long time
Btw Shen, where did Damos enter just then?
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Damos just entered the mist that Hyo set up
Alright I see
Where’s Kin right now?
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Well, I wouldn't say it's focus shifted since he only launched one attack. Furthermore, it's more likely that he simply isn't that agile. I don't see him turning around on a dime or anything like that. Once he started rolling with all that momentum, couldn't really whip around to hit Kin.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
The large electric attack did manage to distract Yukimaru to mowing down anything in that one direction rather than nab Kin
Yeah I got it, extra danger for my character
Nothing new then, just more power for Nadeshiko
*hugs @Godjacob *
I'm sorry xD
I really am, but this needed to be done. Maybe...next arc, yea, definitely next arc.
Eh, things will get better for you Jacob
@Mystic Zander Not sure if I should chew you out or laugh at your post. Mori is basically a cat hanging in some curtains now. That is one hell of a jutsu though, didn't expect that.
Nobody expects the Iwa inquisition!