Star Trek: TOS vs. Star Trek: TNG

[Myth Busted]

DoctorOak, it has been done.

 

[Doctor Oak]

Needs the chatlog to make sense:

<Rex> Star Trek isn't my thing.
<DoctorOak> no Myth
<DoctorOak> Star Trek was -good-
<DoctorOak> Star Trek: The Next Generation was fantastic
<DoctorOak> there's a very specific order of these things
<Shocari> XD
<Myth> I could overlook those freaking lens flares. What was the problem with them>
<Myth> NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
<Myth> DON'T EVEN SAY TNG WAS BETTER.
<DoctorOak> ...
<DoctorOak> wut
<Myth> Do not even say The Next Generation is better than Original Series.
<DoctorOak> it's not even up for debate
<Myth> It will never be.
<DoctorOak> I'm not
<DoctorOak> although it was
<Myth> IT IS.
<DoctorOak> I was saying it's better than the new movie
* Linkachu giggles
<SirRed> lolz
<DoctorOak> seriously
<Myth> The new movie was absolutely perfect. Tough, but PERFECT.
<DoctorOak> don't get into this with me
<Linkachu> Do it
<Rex> Shatner's good bad acting is legendary.
<Linkachu> get into it with him
<DoctorOak> I will beat you down with my encylopaedic Trek knowledge
<Linkachu> He'll rant for hours ;p
<Myth> Tough in the sense that that whole parallel universe thing was hard to understand.
* Linkachu pats Alex and goes for now
<Shocari> ...
<Myth> Look, I love Trek, but I'm no encyclopedia on it.
<DoctorOak> exactly
<Shocari> it's a parallel universe
<DoctorOak> that's why you won't win
<DoctorOak> don't get into it
* Jenova has quit (Quit: bbl)
<Myth> I'll admit you probably know more about it.
<DoctorOak> just accept that I'm right and you're wrong
<DoctorOak> then all will be good
<DoctorOak>
<Shocari> do it
<Shocari> for your own good
<Myth> But that doesn't mean that I cannot defend TOS.
<Myth> I have met Mr Shatner
<Myth> He's a nice guy.
<DoctorOak> first of all
<Shocari> he busts through people's walls to get them to get better deals on plane tickets
<Shocari> that's not nice
<Myth> OK, let's hear.
<DoctorOak> you defended it based on a slight I never even made against it
<DoctorOak> second of all
<DoctorOak> you're still wrong that TNG is not better than TOS
<DoctorOak> it's just factually wrong
<DoctorOak> TOS is a great series
<Myth> You said TNG was better. You are wrong.
<DoctorOak> but it's great for different reasons
<Myth> Yes it is.
<Rex> This cannot end well.
<DoctorOak> TNG is the better Star Trek
<Myth> TNG wasn't bad.
<Myth> It was brilliant actually.
<Myth> Just TOS was better.
<DoctorOak> ok
<DoctorOak> let's do this
<DoctorOak> LEEEROYYYYYYYYYYYYYY JEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS
<Myth> Fine.
<DoctorOak> first of all
<DoctorOak> most of TOS was written by committee, sadly
<DoctorOak> rather than with a specific vision
<DoctorOak> it was written for the sake of making it onto the air week after week
<DoctorOak> and though it losened up later on
<Myth> I don't care, the characters are much more likeable I think.
<DoctorOak> it didn't do it well
<Myth> Just sayin'
<DoctorOak> the later series of TOS is generally received as the worst of the lot
<DoctorOak> ever
<DoctorOak> including Voyager
<Myth> I will admit "Spock's Brain" was absolutely absymal.
<DoctorOak> second of all
<Myth> But rather hilarious.
<DoctorOak> although Roddenbery's vision was great
<DoctorOak> he sucked at telling it
<DoctorOak> great conceptualist
<DoctorOak> but the stories told with it in the series were poor attempts at really selling this utopian world
<DoctorOak> mostly because they were written in the 60s with very, very 60s sensibilities
<Myth> It was the 60s, there weren't many special effects that COULD sell it.
<Myth> It was totally 60s.
<Rex> Not special effects, 60s mentality.
<Myth> But the characters were so much more... amusing than on TNG.
<Myth> I'll agree with that one.
<DoctorOak> how anyone can watch them today without cringing at Yeoman rand's treatment on the show is beyond me
<Myth> Fans just accept it, I guess. It's wrong but they do.
<DoctorOak> more to the point, the aliens featured in the series were, pretty universally, awful
<DoctorOak> not just because of the special effects
<Myth> Oh yeah.
<DoctorOak> but because they were pretty unimaginative
<DoctorOak> even the Klingons back then were just humans with big eyebrows
<Myth> But come on, none can be worse than Jar Jar Binks.... on the other franchise....
<Myth> Yeah but come on, TOS was fun to watch.
<Shocari> you mean the amazing franchise? :O
<DoctorOak> and that wasn't even a "we couldn't do the makeup then" that was what THEY WERE MEANT TO BE
<Myth> TNG is just plain serious.
<DoctorOak> Klingons, Vulcans, Romulans, all introduced in TOS
<Rex> The Gungans were creative.
<DoctorOak> all made into real, expansive races in TNG
<Myth> And stereotypes.
<DoctorOak> <Myth> But come on, none can be worse than Jar Jar Binks.... on the other franchise....
<DoctorOak> that's just completely irrelevant
<Rex> Personally, I don't see the stereotype.
<Shocari> nor do I
<Myth> ..............
<Myth> OK.
<DoctorOak> <Myth> Yeah but come on, TOS was fun to watch.
<Myth> I absulutely knew I would lose this argument.
<SirRed> So...what the hell is a Doctor Who? ._.
<DoctorOak> no-one is saying that it isn't
<Myth> But I cannot be moved.
<Myth> I hate Doctor Who.
<DoctorOak> I'm telling you, since you asked, why TNG is the better series of star trek
<DoctorOak> oh dear christ
<DoctorOak> I may just have to kick you now so I'm not on here all night
<Shocari> you're lucky Zacky isn't on right now
<Shocari> he'd go ballistic
<SirRed> Who, me?
<Shocari> not you, Myth
<SirRed> Ah~
<Myth> I'll raise my hands and drop the sword now.
<Rex> I haven't seen Doctor Who, I hear it's good.
<Myth> You can give your points but I cannot be moved.
<DoctorOak> <Rex> I haven't seen Doctor Who, I hear it's good.
<DoctorOak> it is
<SirRed> I was just trying to troll Alex XP
<Myth> Doctor Who was good until Tennant left.
<DoctorOak> I believe the whole series since 2005 is on netflix now
<DoctorOak> go watch it on that
<DoctorOak> or buy the DVDs, whatevers
<Myth> The new guy is just awful.
<DoctorOak> wow
<DoctorOak> seriously
<DoctorOak> wow
<DoctorOak> your opinions are just completely and utterly wrong in every single respect
<Rex> I might buy the DVDs, but probably not Netflix.
<Myth> ....I am a different kind of sci-fi fan then.
<Rex> Not old enough to get it without mother.
<Myth> ........
<Rex> Since I don't have a bank account yet.
<Myth> I still prefer TOS, don't mean I don't like TNG.... And Doctor Who... great until Matt Smith.
<DoctorOak> which is madness
<Myth> Star Trek 2009 was fantastic too.
<DoctorOak> Doctor Who series 5 and 6 is the best it's been
<Shocari> Sparta? :O
<DoctorOak> oh god
<DoctorOak> seriously
<DoctorOak> Sho
<DoctorOak> give me a reason to kick you
<DoctorOak>
<Sem> ban him
<Sem> do it
<Shocari> eh, just do it for the hell of it
<Shocari> :3
<Myth> I give up.
<Shocari> although
<Shocari> Shiny's corpse looks awfully tempting over there
<DoctorOak> I'm tempted to go upstairs, start up the lappy and log in on that just to genocide your asses
<Shocari>
<Myth> .....Nah, it's fine.... jeez....
<DoctorOak> right
<DoctorOak> myth
<DoctorOak> anyone remember the Sem vs... red? topic a while back?
* Shocari does!
<Myth> Are we going to have a duel?
<DoctorOak> we need one of those to show you just how wrong you are
<SirRed> Yes XD
<DoctorOak> someone make it for me
<DoctorOak> 'cos I need to pee
<Myth> ....No way! I'd be flattened like a pancake!
<DoctorOak> post this log and put up a pol
<DoctorOak> *poll
<DoctorOak> first TOS vs TNG
<Myth> Oh, jeez, this is going to be an absolute nightmare.
<DoctorOak> second Matt Smith vs David Tennant
<Myth> My rep will all be down the drain within two seconds.
<DoctorOak> I expect it done by the time I get back
<DoctorOak> brb
<DoctorOak>

 

[KoL]

I'm far from the most knowledgeable person on Star Trek, but from what I have seen of it, TNG outstripped every other series by quite a wide margin.

Also, I'm surprised to see an argument against TNG that doesn't once mention Wesley Crusher.

 

[Carmen Lopez]

The only thing I know about Star Trek is the movie which I think was solid. However Alex gave some pretty solid arguments about why TNG is better and I'd be more inclined to watch it over the original 60s version. I'm not voting in the poll because I haven't seen either though...

Btw, Katie being an instigator was hilarious...and while I don't hate Doctor Who since I've never watched it, I definitely don't see the appeal.