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DPPt/HGSS Vaporeon and I need help
- Thread starter RikkuIvy
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Ruko
Bearded Trout Warrior
Ice Beam is more powerful than Aurora Beam, and have the same chance at having their effects activate, so I'd say Drop Aurora for Ice
other than that, she looks good
if you want her to be a bit more like a Wall, you can use a heart scale and teach Aqua Ring in place of Shadow Ball
other than that, she looks good
if you want her to be a bit more like a Wall, you can use a heart scale and teach Aqua Ring in place of Shadow Ball
Ruko
Bearded Trout Warrior
Surf and Acid armor are good on it
and Shadow ball is fine too, I just said Aqua ring if you wanted it ;p
but while I'm here, get rid of one of the trainer cards in your signature, and put the two remaining trainer cards side by side, as per the rules on signatures here.
and Shadow ball is fine too, I just said Aqua ring if you wanted it ;p
but while I'm here, get rid of one of the trainer cards in your signature, and put the two remaining trainer cards side by side, as per the rules on signatures here.
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TM13 (Ice Beam) is easily picked up at the Veilstone Game Corner for a measily 10,000 coins. This translates to $200,000 (to outright just buy the coins), or less than 3 runs through the E4 with an Amulet Coin or Lucky Incense (each run nets you a little over $87k if I remember correctly).
hmm thanks Pheonix. I'll keep that in mind.
Also I never knew Waterfall was considered Physical.
I'm assuming Surf is considered Special.
But yet Ice Beam > Aurora Beam without a doubt.
Here's basically what Vaporeon can do for you:
Moveset 1: The Hazer
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
- Surf
- Ice Beam/Shadow Ball
- Haze
- Wish
Hazing Vaporeon for anyone who often uses stat boosts in battle. Vaporeon isn't exactly the best Pokemon for this, since it's Defense stat is not particularly good and Energy Ball/Thunderbolt will wreck your day on the Special side, but it's an option.
Moveset 2: The Sub-passer
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
- Surf
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
- Wish/Acid Armour
Vaporeon's HP stat is HUGE, so it can make some very powerful Substitutes. With Baton Pass, you can then pass these to other members of your team. Wish works well with Baton Pass since it lets you pass heals to your team-mates too, or you can pass Acid Armour boosts to your more fragile team members. Surf for a STAB attack.
Moveset 3: The Toxi-staller
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
- Surf
- Toxic
- Aqua Ring/Attract
- Wish/Rest
Stalling Vaporeon. Wear down opponents with Toxic and Surf, and use Aqua Ring and Wish/Rest to keep yourself alive. Attract is there as an option to stop the opponent from attacking you should they stay in, although most will switch out to stop Toxic from tearing them apart.
Moveset 4: The Special Sweeper
Vaporeon @ Choice Specs/Choice Scarf/Life Orb/Wise Glasses
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power (Electric/Grass)
Ummmm...yeah. Well, Vaporeon DOES have 110 base Sp.Attack...and you could surprise someone with this. Surf for STAB, Ice Beam for Dragons, Shadow Ball for Psychic/Ghosts and HP Electric/Grass to hit Water-types. Electric is the better choice here since it takes out Empoleon and Gyarados. Vaporeon is very slow though, so sweeping isn't really its forte.
That's basically all the things that Vaporeon can do. Moveset 2 is my favourite, with Moveset 3 in second (although Umbreon is much better at Toxi-stalling,) Moveset 1 in third since there are a lot of better Hazers/PHazers out there (Weezing, Skarmory, Suicune etc.) and Moveset 4 last since it's a joke moveset really - there has to be at least 50 better Special Sweepers than Vaporeon out there.
Ummm...that's it. See what you think.
Moveset 1: The Hazer
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
- Surf
- Ice Beam/Shadow Ball
- Haze
- Wish
Hazing Vaporeon for anyone who often uses stat boosts in battle. Vaporeon isn't exactly the best Pokemon for this, since it's Defense stat is not particularly good and Energy Ball/Thunderbolt will wreck your day on the Special side, but it's an option.
Moveset 2: The Sub-passer
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
- Surf
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
- Wish/Acid Armour
Vaporeon's HP stat is HUGE, so it can make some very powerful Substitutes. With Baton Pass, you can then pass these to other members of your team. Wish works well with Baton Pass since it lets you pass heals to your team-mates too, or you can pass Acid Armour boosts to your more fragile team members. Surf for a STAB attack.
Moveset 3: The Toxi-staller
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
- Surf
- Toxic
- Aqua Ring/Attract
- Wish/Rest
Stalling Vaporeon. Wear down opponents with Toxic and Surf, and use Aqua Ring and Wish/Rest to keep yourself alive. Attract is there as an option to stop the opponent from attacking you should they stay in, although most will switch out to stop Toxic from tearing them apart.
Moveset 4: The Special Sweeper
Vaporeon @ Choice Specs/Choice Scarf/Life Orb/Wise Glasses
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power (Electric/Grass)
Ummmm...yeah. Well, Vaporeon DOES have 110 base Sp.Attack...and you could surprise someone with this. Surf for STAB, Ice Beam for Dragons, Shadow Ball for Psychic/Ghosts and HP Electric/Grass to hit Water-types. Electric is the better choice here since it takes out Empoleon and Gyarados. Vaporeon is very slow though, so sweeping isn't really its forte.
That's basically all the things that Vaporeon can do. Moveset 2 is my favourite, with Moveset 3 in second (although Umbreon is much better at Toxi-stalling,) Moveset 1 in third since there are a lot of better Hazers/PHazers out there (Weezing, Skarmory, Suicune etc.) and Moveset 4 last since it's a joke moveset really - there has to be at least 50 better Special Sweepers than Vaporeon out there.
Ummm...that's it. See what you think.
Out of the four movesets I made, I thought Moveset 2 (Sub-passer) was the best one for Vaporeon. The only Pokemon I know of that can Baton Pass stronger Substitutes than Vaporeon is Drifblim, but Drifblim also suffers from much worse stats in defenses and Sp.Attack, as well as having a much worse typing with 5 weaknesses compared to Vaporeon's 2 weaknesses, so Vaporeon beats Drifblim overall. The Subs will prevent opponents from putting Status effects on you, from dropping your stats, and will protect you from at least 1 turns worth of damage...and that 1 turn can easily be the one that wins you the match.
The first moveset (Hazer) will work OK on Special Sweepers, but a Physical Sweeper with Swords Dance will be a lot more dangerous since they may be able to KO Vaporeon before the Haze hits. All teams should have at least one Hazer in my view, but Vaporeon has better things it can be doing if there is someone else available in your team to Haze instead.
The Toxi-stalling set is alright, although Vaporeon lacks a more reliable way to stop the opponent from attacking you than Attract, which won't help at all against an opponent who is the same gender as you or has no gender at all. Vaporeon also lacks a trapping move like Mean Look to make the most out of Toxic's increasing damage, although Surf does make up for that somewhat. It is by all means a good set that will be able to stay alive well and cause quite a lot of damage, but there are a few moves that Vaporeon misses out on that would make the moveset perfect.
Fourth moveset, the Special Sweeper, I put in as a bit of a joke, although Vaporeon can still cause a lot of damage with it. Vaporeon lacks speed though, and with its defensive and support capabilities being better than its offensive capabilities, sweeping isn't the best choice for Vaporeon. I put it there simply to show how versatile Vaporeon is.
The best moveset to choose will depend mostly on what the rest of your team is like, and what your team needs the most. Moveset 2 for example, even though it's my favourite of the lot, won't be as useful on a team that consists of mostly defensive Pokemon, since they don't really need the extra protection that the Sub provides. See what your team needs the most, and pick the moveset that caters best to your team's needs. Hope that helped.
The first moveset (Hazer) will work OK on Special Sweepers, but a Physical Sweeper with Swords Dance will be a lot more dangerous since they may be able to KO Vaporeon before the Haze hits. All teams should have at least one Hazer in my view, but Vaporeon has better things it can be doing if there is someone else available in your team to Haze instead.
The Toxi-stalling set is alright, although Vaporeon lacks a more reliable way to stop the opponent from attacking you than Attract, which won't help at all against an opponent who is the same gender as you or has no gender at all. Vaporeon also lacks a trapping move like Mean Look to make the most out of Toxic's increasing damage, although Surf does make up for that somewhat. It is by all means a good set that will be able to stay alive well and cause quite a lot of damage, but there are a few moves that Vaporeon misses out on that would make the moveset perfect.
Fourth moveset, the Special Sweeper, I put in as a bit of a joke, although Vaporeon can still cause a lot of damage with it. Vaporeon lacks speed though, and with its defensive and support capabilities being better than its offensive capabilities, sweeping isn't the best choice for Vaporeon. I put it there simply to show how versatile Vaporeon is.
The best moveset to choose will depend mostly on what the rest of your team is like, and what your team needs the most. Moveset 2 for example, even though it's my favourite of the lot, won't be as useful on a team that consists of mostly defensive Pokemon, since they don't really need the extra protection that the Sub provides. See what your team needs the most, and pick the moveset that caters best to your team's needs. Hope that helped.