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DPPt/HGSS Rate my team! I hope this is allowed...

Discussion in 'The Doctor's Clinic' started by Pokemon_knowledge_tycoon, Jul 24, 2008.

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  1. My team for single-battles:Team Powerhouse

    I'm only going to show their moves because I don't worry about EV training, I don't get the point really, though.

    pokemon:Electivire
    item:Magnet
    moves:Earthquake
    Thunder Punch
    Ice Punch
    Cross Chop

    pokemon:Dragonite
    item:Draco Plate
    moves:Thunder Punch
    Dragon Rush
    Wing Attack
    Aqua Tail

    pokemon:Magmortar
    item:Charcoal
    moves:Hyper Beam
    Flamethrower
    Psychic
    Solarbeam

    pokemon:Metagross
    item:Shuca Berry
    moves:Magnet Rise
    Meteor Mash
    Psychic
    Hammer Arm

    pokemon:Gengar
    item:poison Barb
    moves:Shadow Ball
    Dark Pulse
    Energy Ball
    Sludge Bomb

    pokemon:Tyranitar
    item:Chople Berry
    moves:Earthquake
    Rock Slide
    Dark Pulse
    Thunder Fang


    My team for double-battles:Team Dragon

    pokemon:Lucario
    item:Wise Glasses
    moves:Aura Sphere
    Dark Pulse
    Extremespeed
    Dragon Pulse

    pokemon:Garchomp
    item:Yache Berry
    moves:Earthquake
    Fire Fang
    Crunch
    Dragon Claw

    pokemon:Charizard
    item:Charcoal
    moves:Flamethrower
    Shadow Claw
    Dragon Claw
    Air Slash

    pokemon:Sceptile
    item:Mental Herb
    moves:Solarbeam
    Focus Blast
    X-scissor
    Dragon Pulse

    pokemon:Gyarados
    item:Mystic Water
    moves:Thunderbolt
    Flamethrower
    Earthquake
    Waterfall

    pokemon:Magnezone
    item:Shuca Berry
    moves:Magnet Rise
    Discharge
    Magnet Bomb
    Mirror Shot


    Note:These are pokemon that I just use for Pokemon Battle Revloution on the Wii and for the Battle Tower.




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  2. Jeydis

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    Dragonite doesnt look so good :S since you have a very offensive oriented team already id suggest this quirky build for your dragonite :D

    Dragonite w/Leftovers
    Impish Nature
    Moveset
    - Roost
    - Dragon Claw
    - Toxic / Thunder Wave
    - Heal Bell / Safeguard / Light Screen

    If you dont like that you can always go all out offense with the great classic:

    Dragonite w/Life Orb (Lum Berry can help too)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Fire Punch
    - Earthquake

    Your general items could use some work but for that you need Battle Points mostly :p
     
  3. The best I've found to rating a team is to battle it. So that being said would you like to test out your Power House team against me?
     
  4. KoL

    KoL Expert FPS Player
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    Magmortar @ Life Orb/Wise Glasses

    - Flamethrower
    - Thunderbolt
    - Psychic
    - Focus Blast/Flash Cannon

    Hyper Beam is rubbish and Solarbeam is even worse without Sunny Day, so both of those moves can go. Flamethrower for STAB, Psychic for Fighting-types, Thunderbolt to take out Water-types, and either Flash Cannon for Rock-types or Focus Blast for Normal-types.

    Metagross @ Liechi Berry

    - Meteor Mash
    - Earthquake
    - ThunderPunch/Rock Slide
    - Agility

    Agility Metagross. One Agility will let you outspeed a lot of the strongest sweepers, and hopefully the Liechi will be triggered too to give you an Attack boost. Meteor Mash for STAB, Earthquake for extra coverage, and ThunderPunch/Rock Slide to stop Skarmory from walling you.

    Gyarados @ Muscle Band/Life Orb

    - Waterfall
    - Ice Fang
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Dance

    Special Attacks on Gyarados is bad - with only 60 Base Sp.Attack, Gyarados has no business using Special moves at all. Dragon Dance up to boost your Attack and Speed, Waterfall is for STAB, Ice Fang will get rid of any Dragons and Earthquake will stop Electric-types.

    Magnezone @ Wise Glasses/Leftovers/Focus Sash

    - Thunderbolt
    - Flash Cannon
    - Thunder Wave
    - Mirror Coat/Magnet Rise/Explosion

    Thunderbolt is better than Discharge and Flash Cannon beats both Mirror Shot and Magnet Bomb. Thunder Wave will provide support for your team by paralyzing opponents, and the last move is filler: Mirror Coat + Focus Sash will pretty much gurantee a OHKO on anyone who tries to kill Maggy with a Fire or Fighting-type Special Attack, Magnet Rise will allow you to avoid Earthquake (but Maggy is a bit slow so there's a chance the EQ will hit first) or Explosion to hopefully take out someone when Maggy is about to bite the dust.

    On a general note, almost all of your items are poor. These are the items you really need to be choosing from:

    The Super-Effective berries (Yache Berry etc.) are still viable for use, although I believe there are a lot better options out there to use instead.
     
  5. yeah they all sound good. i'm not sure if i can do all of them though. but thanks! ;D


    i'm game. but how?
     
  6. On Wifi of course. We exchange Friend Codes and then meet in the Wifi Lobby.
     
  7. Ruko

    Ruko Bearded Trout Warrior

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    please read the rules and don't double post
     
  8. These are all very awesome, but you see i have reasons for making my team the way it is now.

    1st of all: Magmortar
    Why it has Solarbeam and Hyperbeam: I'm not sure why, but I encounter a lot of pokemon that use Protect and Detect a LOT. Solarbeam is okay for that. Plus, I have 7 pokemon that can use Sunny Day. I only use Hyperbeam for quick knockouts. I don't need Thunderbolt since I already have Solarbeam. I don't like Focus Blast that much because it has low accuracy. :-\

    2nd of all: Metagross
    Why I like its current moveset: I give it a Shuca Berry because it is not very fast. So if it gets hit by a Ground-type attack, it will have enough HP to use Magnet Rise. Same goes for Magnezaone. Hammer Arm to make it slower(I have some other pokemon that can use Trick Room) And Psychic to take care of pokemon that like to use Counter a lot.(Which I have encountered a lot recently.)

    3rd of all: Gyarados.
    Why it has special attacks: The same reason as Metagross's Psychic. For pokemon that like to use Counter. And if a pokemon decides to use Mirror Coat, then the counterratack won't be so great since Gyarados's base special attack stat is low. Also, I would like to point out that Gyarados is sort of a support pokemon as well as an attacker. Flamethrower can burn an enemy and Thunderbolt can paralyze an enemy. And Waterfall is the move that it almost always uses(Reason for Mystic Water). Also, I'm not really that afraid of Dragon-types against my Gyarados because I already have other pokemon that can deal with dragons.

    4th of all: Dragonite
    Reason for its moveset: To the person that suggested Outrage, Dragon Dance, Fire Punch and Earthquake, thank you. But if ever the situation requires me to battle in double-battle style always pair up Electivire and Dragonite together. I take advantage of Electivire's Motor Drive ability by having Dragonite use Thunder Punch on Electivire. I also already have two pokemon with the move Earthquake and I think that's enough. I also dislike the move Outrage because it confuses my Dragonite. I don't want to give it Persim Berry or Lum Berry. I don't need any stat boosts either. And the other suggested moveset with the moves Roost, Dragon Claw, Toxic/ Thunder Wave, Heal Bell/Safeguard/Light Screen, I'm sorry but I don't want any supporter pokemon. I will accept pokemon that support other pokemon, but at least not directly.

    Last of all: Magnezone
    Reason for why it is how it is: Magnet Rise-good for evasion. Shuca Berry-good for preperation of Magnet Rise. I keep Discharge because Magnezone is always partnered with Garchomp. First Magnezone uses Magnet Rise. Garchomp uses some other attack besides Earthquake if Magnezone has not yet used Magnet Rise. Then Magnezone uses Disharge which hits both opponent pokemon and does not damage Garchomp since it's a Ground-type. Then Garchomp uses Earthquake which also hits both opponent pokemon and does not damage Magnezone after it uses Magnet Rise. I also gave Magnezone Magnet Bomb to get rid of pesky evasive pokemon. And...I really wanted to teach Magnezone Flash Cannon but I accidentally taught it to my...Aggron? he he he awww man I am sooo embarrassed I had to share that... :-[

    Now I've got all bases covered and so have my pokemon.
     
  9. KoL

    KoL Expert FPS Player
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    In response to all of that:

    Hyper Beam may kill quick, but the recharge turn can, and most likely will, screw you. It doesn't even let you switch out. Easy opportunity for a sweeper to come in and use Swords Dance/Nasty Plot during your recharge turn. Hyper Beam has now just screwed you. Granted, a Focus Blast miss could screw you similarly, but at least with Focus Blast there's a fairly good chance of not being screwed over, unlike Hyper Beam DEFINITELY screwing you over. Plus, Focus Blast will put Blissey in its place (Hyper Beam won't,) and any Special attack that can put Blissey in its place is well worth having in my opinion.

    Also, in what way is Solarbeam good against Protect and Detect? The way I see it is, Solarbeam charges up, opponent uses Protect, Solarbeam does nothing. Even Solarbeam + Sunny Day is a poor combo since it baits Fire-types to switch in and Solarbeam won't be hurting them much. It will also bait in an opponent's Tyranitar (which are extremely popular) to murder the field with its Sand Stream, and since Solarbeam's power is halved in a Sandstorm (as well as getting the charge-up turn back again) and T-Tar's Special Defense is boosted by 50%, well...enough said. Also, since Tyranitar resists Flamethrower, Hyper Beam AND Psychic...just gets worse. T-Tar also happens to be 4x weak to Focus Blast. *hint hint*

    Trick Room is a rather poor move, since it helps opposing defensive Pokemon use their nasty status/hazing/healing moves, and god help you if your opponent has a Snorlax. Psychic is viable since it isn't that bad on Metagross's Sp.Attack, but in my opinion there are far better ways of dealing with Counter (Status Moves.)

    Gyarados is in no way a supporter since although Flamethrower and Thunderbolt can indeed burn/paralyze, you're looking at a 9.8% chance of doing so either way, and rubbish damage on both 100% of the time. Yes, I agree that is support...for your opponent, that is. Also, if you plan on using Waterfall all the time, Choice Band's 50% power boost trumps Mystic Water's 10% boost. Also, Pokemon with Counter/Mirror Coat are very rare - only one I can say I've seen recently (besides Wobbuffet) was a Blissey with Counter, and it just ended up getting OHKO'd by the attacks it was trying to Counter. The only thing your Gyarados's Special attacks will do is give your opponent ample time to blast you with a Thunderbolt. If Counter worries you, use Dragon Dance to increase your Attack and thus increase the odds of getting the OHKO that would render Counter useless. If you want your Gyarados to play a more supportive role, the best move to have is Taunt.

    The damage reduction caused by Discharge hitting everyone is not worth it, same with Earthquake - although you will be doing severe damage to both opponents, odds are you won't be killing either of them, which gives them ample time to use two strong attacks on one of your Pokemon which will definitely kill them off - this gets even more ugly if the opponents are faster than you, and with a Magnezone they most certainly will be. Although Magnet Bomb doesn't miss, it's also about as effective as any Special Attack is by Gyarados, i.e. not very, so those "pesky evasive Pokemon" will hardly be running for the hills. Magnet Rise is viable, I'll agree with that. As for Flash Cannon, stick in a second filler move - Magnezone has plenty.

    Everyone has reasons for making their team the way it is. However, your reasons are flimsy at best. There's no point in putting Special moves on pure Physical sweepers and vice versa just to avoid Counter/Mirror Coat because not everyone actually uses these moves, and against an opponent who doesn't use Counter/Mirror Coat (who are in the majority) your movesets will be much less effective. As for Hyper Beam and Solarbeam, there's no defense for using either, not even Sunny Day. There are plenty of moves that are vastly superior to the both of them, and they're not hard to find.
     
  10. Relax, relax. I know all of this already. That's why I'm called the pokemon knowledge tycoon! Ha ha ha. No, sorry. I just like playing games. But more importantly, I only want to keep my Magmortar this way because this is the way I got it from PBR. I just want to remember the moment. I'm a pretty sentimental person. I've already saved up on all the TM's I need to make Magmortar awesome. And the only way I think Solarbeam will be effective against a pokemon that uses Protect or Detect is if that pokemon uses Protect or Detect first and then I should pray that the next Protect or Detect they use will fail. All I need now is another Magmortar. I exchanged my Gyarados's Thunderbolt for Ice Fang. Any suggestions to what I should exchange Flamethrower with? I'm not really a guy that likes to use stat-boosting moves so much. Any moves besides Focus Blast for Magmortar? If there aren't, then it will just have to do. Thanks for what you said about Metagross. It helped me a lot. But if I change my current team, what will happen if I need them in a double-battle? Will anything change? But I really want to keep my team the way it is. I'll just have to find another Gyarados, Metagross, Magmortar, and Magnezone. And sorry for double posting! I am so scared to post ANYTHING right now. It's like, one small detail could get me kicked out... ;D

    [quote author:pokemon_knowledge_tycoon link=topic=4626.msg67309#msg67309 date=1217034337]
    Relax, relax. I know all of this already. That's why I'm called the pokemon knowledge tycoon! Ha ha ha. No, sorry. I just like playing games. But more importantly, I only want to keep my Magmortar this way because this is the way I got it from PBR. I just want to remember the moment. I'm a pretty sentimental person. I've already saved up on all the TM's I need to make Magmortar awesome. And the only way I think Solarbeam will be effective against a pokemon that uses Protect or Detect is if that pokemon uses Protect or Detect first and then I should pray that the next Protect or Detect they use will fail. All I need now is another Magmortar. I exchanged my Gyarados's Thunderbolt for Ice Fang. Any suggestions to what I should exchange Flamethrower with? I'm not really a guy that likes to use stat-boosting moves so much. Any moves besides Focus Blast for Magmortar? If there aren't, then it will just have to do. Thanks for what you said about Metagross. It helped me a lot. But if I change my current team, what will happen if I need them in a double-battle? Will anything change? But I really want to keep my team the way it is. I'll just have to find another Gyarados, Metagross, Magmortar, and Magnezone. And sorry for double posting! I am so scared to post ANYTHING right now. It's like, one small detail could get me kicked out... ;D
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    Oh, and sorry for saying this, but I absolutely do not approve of using Choice items. I want to be prepared for anything. And if so ever my opponent decides to use a pokemon that is strong against my pokemon's "Choice attack" then, well, I'm not really good in situations like that. ;D ;D ;D
     
  11. Ruko

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    pokemon_knowledge_tycoon, you have been n00b'd for breaking the same rule twice in this thread.
    No double posting

    And although it isn't in the rules, it is annoying to see an entire block of text from the person before you every time you post. If you make it back from the realm, try just saying "@King of Lucario" when you are talking to just one person. If you're replying to particular parts of a post, you should break it up like he did. But don't quote the entire post just to imply you're talking to them.

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    Locked for the same reason as the other thread, Tycoon is now banned.
     
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