Okay I'm not sure if this belongs in this thread or not but it does involve the 5th gen. Okay me and a friend got into an argument over this and it's who the 'Shadow Traid' are. I personally think they are just strong trainers or Ghestis personal minions who may have a bigger part in the third game if a third game will ever exist. He thinks the Shadow's are the Triplets, the first gym leaders. Just because they are the only leaders who don't have any kind of role in the story other than being the first leaders and because they are the only gym leaders that don't show up to help at the end if you know what I'm talking about. So what are your opions of this arument I'm in?