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The competitive side of things [Updated with list of some new hold items]

Discussion in 'Pokémon Games Discussion' started by Ruko, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Ruko

    Ruko Bearded Trout Warrior

    New Hold Items
    Credit to Serebii, Reworded most of the descriptions to patch up their spelling/grammar issues. As stated in my post below, I don't think that this list is complete - I was inspired to search for a list at the mention of an item I didn't find on it.

  2. Re: The competitive side of things

    Oooh, a few Pokemon got additions that I'm very excited about. Ruko mentioned a lot of of them but I have some too.

    Swampert with Damp. I really like this one due to the sheer amount of things exploding in the Metagame. Having Swampert being able to block it is an amazing asset. Milotic with Cute Charm is another new favorite of mine. It tends to bait physical attacks anyway, so it may make opponents think twice about attacking it if they thing their Pokemon could be disabled. Infernape may not have been blessed to get Speed Boost, but Iron Fist isn't bad. Now I want to try one with Drain Punch + Iron Fist + Muscle Band.

    I also really love some of the tweaks in attacks. Petal Dance, Giga Drain, and Drain Punch all get a welcome boost. We still don't seem to have the stats on Wild Bolt but here's hoping it does a decent amount of damage and is physical.
  3. Linkachu

    Linkachu Hero of Pizza
    Staff Member Administrator

    Re: The competitive side of things

    I honestly haven't had a lot of time to look into the new attacks or abilities yet, but I'm interested to see how this "Attack power raises when you KO an opponent" ability will fair in a competitive setting. I've also been wondering if you'd get multiple attack boosts for KOing two-three opponents at once, too. If so, that could be pretty snazzy and equally deadly.

    These new protective attacks (ie. shielding your party members from being damaged by your own attacks) for Double/Triple battles are going to open up a lot of new options, too, but I still need more information about 'em before I can formulate proper strategies.
  4. Re: The competitive side of things

    Lanturn getting water absorb is pretty useful. Double lanturn team yeeeahh.

    Telepathy looks like a really useful ability.

    Some of the new Pokemon have great stats. 145 Sp. Attack on Shandreaa and 140 (I think) attack on Roopushin.
  5. Re: The competitive side of things

    Ditto may have some potential at last! its dreamworld ability Eccentric permits it to transform into the opponent when it is released instead of having that one turn to do it with the attack. It wont make him insane but it gives him a chance to do his work.

    Theres all sorts of dreamworld abilities that have great potential. Im loving the idea of a Raindish Blastoise, Drought Ninetails and many others.

    Oh and of course the ability Overconfidence has insane potential for sweepers. It raises the attack stat when the user KOs an opponent. This ability is naturaly on the sand crock family but can also be dream world to Pinsir, Gyarados, Heracross, Mightyena, Salamence, Honchkrow.

    im really excited about this gen though
  6. Re: The competitive side of things

    I can see Blaziken being moved to Uber because of that Speed Boost ability and almost everybody using it D:

    Ditto's ability definitely will need clarification
  7. Re: The competitive side of things

    As far as I can tell its pretty simple. Ditto will transform (as in the usual ability) upon entry into the opponent directly infront of it. So in multi battles it takes the form of whoever is strait infront at the time.

    EDIT: Almost forgot, the new ability Perversity is rather intresting, stat changes are reversed. Im not sure if this applies to status induced reductions like speed drop from paralyze but even then the smugleaf line can have the ability and they can learn leafstorm... so leafstorm would boost Sp.Atk instead of lowering it after every use.

    Has very intresting potential.
  8. Ruko

    Ruko Bearded Trout Warrior

    Re: The competitive side of things

    The only issue I see is if the ability doesn't work exactly like transform. If it doesn't copy stat changes, that dampers part of ditto's potential use [Coming in to revenge-kill a pokemon that's used Dragon Dance won't be possible, for instance].

    I'd also like details on Illusion for the sake of Zorua / Zoroark. The game description states that it will 'transform' into the pokemon behind it before entering the field. I'm wondering if it copies everything like Ditto would or just the sprite and name.. or even falling somewhere in-between. Perhaps it copies typing and sprite but nothing else? When does the illusion fade exactly? etc.
    Zoroark has rather high special attack and decent speed/attack, so there's a lot of potential here.

    Perversity would have a pretty devastating result with Leaf Storm o_O
    At least grass isn't too spectacular of an attacking type.
  9. Re: The competitive side of things

    Even so, a boosted Leaf Storm would seriously dent something that doesn't resist it. Apparently Bulbapedia and Serebii list different stat distributions for Jaroda. Bulbapedia lists its sp. Attack at 113 while Serebii lists it as 75. Whatever the case, I still may use Jaroda as a replacement for Megan on my new team for one because the higher speed is appealing.
    #9 Carmen Lopez, Sep 20, 2010
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  10. KoL

    KoL Expert FPS Player
    Staff Member Moderator

    Re: The competitive side of things

    ...ah-ha-ha-ha-oh wait, you were serious...yeah, if Yanmega wasn't even OU with this ability, Blaziken sure as hell won't be Uber - it probably still won't be as good as Infernape even with this ability since Infernape has a better moveset.

    If anything, I predict that the Uber tier will be more lax this time around since there's far more dangerous Pokemon now introduced, and the game will by extension need more potential powerhouses from the previous generations to keep the new guys in check. We may very well see Garchomp and Salamence (for everywhere that Uber'd the thing...) return to play, and possibly Latios/Latias joining the standard play fray as well.

    Way I see it, this is going to be fun.

    Roserade will tell you that an unboosted Leaf Storm is enough to seriously dent or even outright OHKO a lot of things that don't resist it. Having to take a boosted Leaf Storm is definitely not a fun proposition if an unboosted one already causes massive damage to a lot of opponents.
  11. Re: The competitive side of things

    I'm definately seeing BW as a step toward a more competitive game, and definately more surprises, but when I heard about the dream world abilities, I was deathly afraid of them being banned from tournaments due to the new abilities, however since it seems that they are fixed, I'm not so worried.

    But I'm definately curious about the attack combos. THis seems to reflect the contest (like if you used Flamethrower and Fireblast one after the other), however, It could also challenge your knowledge of your teams. Plus, in Multi battles, it could get quite frustrating if the opponent (or you) get a move that isn't wanted.

    But anyway... Jolteon getting Quick feet definately impresses me :) Now my Jolteon can zig zag through competition! (THough, what doesn't make since is that it works for all status ailments EXCEPT paralysis, yet He can move when frozen?)
  12. Ruko

    Ruko Bearded Trout Warrior

    Re: The competitive side of things [Updated with some new hold items]

    Updated first post with some new hold items - I don't think this list is complete, as I was inspired to check for it when Fumanshu mentioned an item I didn't find on the list in chat.
    I pulled the information from Serebii and patched up the grammar a bit in the transfer.

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