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STAB, the technics of stat changing moves and what not

Discussion in 'Pokémon Games Discussion' started by Linkachu, Oct 6, 2004.

  1. Linkachu

    Linkachu Hero of Pizza
    Staff Member Administrator

    I've had these questioning going around my head for ages so hopefully one of you guys can answer 'em.

    Ze questions:
    1. Does STAB effect the base power of a given attack (ie. Surf's 95 base power) or does it multiple the Pokemon's actual Attack/Sp. Attack stat by 1.5?

    2. When an attack like Growl says "Puts down the opponent's ATTACK by one level" does it mean the Pokemon's stat would go down from, say, Level 55 to 54 or something completely different?

    3. By what % or amount do attacks like Double Team or Sand Attack change the Pokemon's stats?

    4. Does Intimidate act the same way a Growl attack would?

    I think that's about it, for now.
  2. Doctor Oak

    Staff Member Overlord

    I can answer the first one.

    STAB affects the base power of the attack. So Volt Tackle with STAB gives you 240 Base Power - enough to destroy anything. ^^
  3. Alright, kids, it's time for...


    Thanks to Raichu, I went off in search of an answer to her stat-alteration question and discovered how it really works! This knowledge is bound to come in handy. Here's how it works:

    For Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed, it works on a base of 2. Check this out:

    -6 = 2/8
    -5 = 2/7
    -4 = 2/6
    -3 = 2/5
    -2 = 2/4
    -1 = 2/3
    0 = 1
    +1 = 3/2
    +2 = 4/2
    +3 = 5/2
    +4 = 6/2
    +5 = 7/2
    +6 = 8/2

    Notice the pattern? (I know those fractions could be simplified, but it's easier to visualize this way.)

    The negative side of that scale represents a decrease in value, while the positive side shows an increase in the value. You can alter a stat by up to six stages in either direction, but no more (METAPOD's DEFENSE won't go any higher!)

    For example, if you used the move Harden, your Pokémon's Defense stat will be +1, meaning 150% of what it used to be. If you used Screech, the foe's Defense stat will drop by 2, putting it at -2, or half of its original value.

    Curse lowers your Speed to -1 (2/3 of what it was) and raises both your Attack and Defense to +1 (3/2). Belly Drum raises your Attack to its maximum stage, +6, and your Attack power is four times higher! You thought Hyper Beam had 150 Base Power? You thought that was good enough? Well, a Snorlax, after using Belly Drum, and with the benefit of Same Type Attack Bonus, puts Hyper Beam's power at freakin' 900! And Snorlax already has such high Attack stats, too.

    Evasion works in a similar way, but on a scale of 3, not 2.

    -6 = 9/3
    -5 = 8/3
    -4 = 7/3
    -3 = 6/3
    -2 = 5/3
    -1 = 4/3
    0 = 1
    +1 = 3/4
    +2 = 3/5
    +3 = 3/6
    +4 = 3/7
    +5 = 3/8
    +6 = 3/9

    (This scale shows the changes relative to how your Pokémon benfit, with the negative side being your ability to evade, and the positive side the enemy's ability to strike you.)

    If you use the ever-popular Double Team once, which raises your evasion rate by +1, you are 3/4 as likely to be hit by the enemies attack. A move like Sand Attack, which lowers the opponent's accuracy to -1, makes you 4/3 as likely to dodge the attack.

    Again, there's a maximum of six steps to take in either direction. You cannot raise your evasion to more than 9/3, and you cannot lower the foe's accuracy to more than 3/9. However...

    You CAN raise both your EVADE and the foe's ACCURACY. Say you used six Mud-Slaps and six Minimizes, your chances are (3/9)*(3/9) = 3/27, which is much higher than you could get with just one of the two moves. Then again, are you really going to spend twelve turns leading up to this?

    You can get greater advantages with Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed in the same way, by raising your Defenses and lowering the foe's Attacks, or by raising your Speed and lowering the foe's.

    #3 QuagsireQing, Oct 9, 2004
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 27, 2014
  4. That is pronounced 'kah-pee-kay.' I think you mean 'capisci', pronounced 'ka-pee-shee,' whcih means 'you understand.' Just nitpicking.

  5. Linkachu

    Linkachu Hero of Pizza
    Staff Member Administrator

    Sweetness! Thanks for posting that, QQ. Time to go math-nerd on the next person I battle :twisted:
  6. baratron

    baratron Moderator of Elder Scrolls
    Staff Member Moderator

    Woah! :shock:

    I am in awe of your l33t information-finding skill.

    Out of interest, how/where did you find that info? :wink:

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