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XY/ORAS Singles Can someone please rate my OU singles team?

Discussion in 'The Doctor's Clinic' started by Green Dragon, Jul 6, 2014.

  1. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    The team:

    Venusaur@Air Balloon
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 Spe / 252 SpA / 4 HP
    -Sunny Day
    -Solar Beam
    -Sludge Bomb
    -HP Rock

    Quagsire@Jaboca Berry
    Ability: Unaware
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    -Recover
    -Scald
    -Toxic
    -Stockpile

    Rotom-H@Choice Specs
    Ability: Levitate
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 HP / 252 SpD
    -Volt Switch
    -Overheat
    -HP Ice
    -Pain Split

    Pinsir@Pinsirite
    Ability: Moxie
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    -Close Combat
    -Quick Attack
    -X-Scissor
    -Swords Dance

    Ninjask@Focus Sash
    Ability: Speed Boost
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    -X-Scissor
    -Agility
    -Swords Dance
    -Baton Pass

    Togekiss@Leftovers
    Ability: Serene Grace
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 SpA
    -Air Slash
    -Protect
    -Soft-Boiled
    -Thunder Wave

    I know I have a weakness to Rock, but I don't know how to counter it. Other help is also much appreciated! Thanks!
     
  2. Jeydis

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    Well to get rid of that rock weakness you will need to change up your pokemon to be honest. That is a lot of flying and bug types.
     
  3. Shiny Lyni

    Shiny Lyni 2016 Singles Football

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    Your problem with your weakness to rock is having three flying types on your team, two of which are bug/flying. I'd suggest switching out one and putting in something that can counter rock. Fighting type maybe?

    Also, is this a team in your games or on showdown? And are you able to breed for egg moves and stuff?
     
  4. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    Hm...

    I haven't been using the Ninjask so maybe I put in a special Lucario:

    Lucario@Life Orb
    Ability: Justified
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Def
    -Aura Sphere
    -Flash Cannon
    -Calm Mind
    -Dragon Pulse

    He sets up with Calm Mind, then needless to say, wrecks.

    Also, yes, I am using Showdown.
     
  5. Jeydis

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    Physical Lucario would serve you better, you have no physical damage appart from pinsir which is not the most reliable.

    Also the togekiss could use a bit more variety in the moves, ground types just kind of laugh and set up on it as it is.
     
    #5 Jeydis, Jul 9, 2014
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  6. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    K, Physical:
    Lucario@Life Orb
    Ability: Justified
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
    -Close Combat
    -Metal Claw
    -Swords Dance
    -Mach Punch

    How about that?

    And for Togekiss, I see no problem. You seem to have your immunities backwards.
     
  7. Jeydis

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    Metal claw is better off being something like earthquake or perhaps icepunch since it is pretty low damage and you should have plenty of attack power after one SD. Extreme Speed is a possibility over mach punch for more power.

    For Togekiss I meant that the thunder wave wont hit the ground type and if they are either rock or steel they are tickled by an unpowered airslash. Paraflinch is fine, its just best to have another coverage move to work with in place of protect, something like Aura Sphere helps. Or if you want to stick to the hard support then something like heal bell, defog (since your weak to rock this might help for SR) might work better as well.

    Speaking of SR, if this is for OU on showdown: hazards may need to be considered
     
  8. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    Alright.

    For Lucario, Ice Punch + Extremespeed.
    For Togekiss, Aura Sphere over Protect and Defog over Soft-Boiled. I'll have no hazards because I don't want to get rid of them with Defog. However, if I did run hazards, it would be:

    Rotom -> Deoxys-S

    Deoxys-S@Focus Sash
    Ability: Pressure
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 Spe / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    -Psycho Boost
    -Psycho Shift
    -Spikes
    -Stealth Rock
     
    #8 Green Dragon, Jul 9, 2014
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  9. Jeydis

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    The deoxys seems fine to me, run that as your opener and leave the defog out and just run the recovery move for Togekiss. My earlier suggestion for Togekiss was to replace protect, just gave you a couple of options.
    Should look like:
    - Air slash
    - Aura Sphere
    - Softboiled
    - Thunder Wave

    Potential for Roost over Softboiled if you want to play with the flying typing but thats up to you.

    PS: For deoxys Taunt may be an option as well if you perhaps dont want to set up all 4 layers of hazards. taunt on an obvious hazard layer or status user followed by SR on the switch would work wonders for your team.
     
  10. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    Ah. Togekiss shall be the way you have. Maybe on Deoxys Taunt over Psycho Boost or Spikes.
     
  11. pokeman266

    pokeman266 2015 Singles Champion

    Having Pain split on a choice Pokemon is probably not the best idea.
    You don't have to change it I'm just saying.
     
  12. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    Well, I replaced Rotom. However, turns out Deoxys-S is Uber.
    I went with Scolipede instead.

    Scolipede@Black Sludge
    Ability: Speed Boost
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    -Baton Pass
    -Swords Dance
    -Poison Jab
    -Toxic Spikes

    Rate the new guy!
     
  13. KoL

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    Toxic Spikes is excessive setup and poor synergy on a Baton Pass set. I'd drop it for Substitute, Protect or Megahorn (and with Megahorn I'd drop Poison Jab for it purely so that enemies aren't ever immune to your only STAB bar Shedinja.)
     
  14. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    Okay:

    Scolipede@Black Sludge
    Ability: Speed Boost
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    -Baton Pass
    -Swords Dance
    -Megahorn
    -Substitute

    Better?

    Also, as the team has undergone some pretty large changes, I shall post the new team here.

    Venusaur@Air Balloon
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
    -Sunny Day
    -Solar Beam
    -Sludge Bomb
    -HP Rock

    Scolipede@Black Sludge
    Ability: Speed Boost
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    -Baton Pass
    -Swords Dance
    -Megahorn
    -Substitute

    Pinsir@Pinsirite
    Ability: Moxie
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    -Close Combat
    -Quick Attack
    -X-Scissor
    -Swords Dance

    Quagsire@Jaboca Berry
    Ability: Unaware
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    -Recover
    -Scald
    -Toxic
    -Stockpile

    Lucario@Life Orb
    Ability: Steadfast
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
    -Close Combat
    -Ice Punch
    -Swords Dance
    -Extremespeed

    Togekiss@Leftovers
    Ability: Serene Grace
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 SpA
    -Air Slash
    -Aura Sphere
    -Roost

    -Thunder Wave

    There! Changes are in bold.
     
  15. KoL

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    Alrighty:

    - Air Balloon Venusaur is a waste of an item slot. Venusaur isn't threatened by Ground-type attacks so an easily lost immunity to them is more of a detriment to him than anything else. Sunny Day/Solarbeam is also poor due to it requiring a turn of setup that can be easily negated by a weather-change ability. Venusaur prefers Giga Drain for its Grass STAB and if the opponent has a Zard Y it can steal a Chlorophyll boost through that.

    - Pinsir would probably prefer max Speed and Jolly over Max HP and Adamant since MegaPinsir's base Speed is actually pretty good (105, faster than Garchomp and tying with regular Manectric) and your Swords Dance set would give better end-game sweeps with that extra speed behind it. Also consider Return or Thrash for a ridiculously powerful Flying-STAB move thanks to Aerilate.

    - Crunch is a possible alternative over Ice Punch if Ghosts are giving you grief. The set is fine as it is though.

    Finally, you're lacking an entry hazard user. I've already said Scolipede shouldn't be doing that job anyway considering it has its own stuff to handle, so preferably you'll want to swap a member out for someone to provide this for you. If it were me I'd drop Venusaur for Heatran or something since he provides Stealth Rock and also helps scare off a certain metal bird that can otherwise cause most of your team grief, Pinsir especially.
     
  16. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    Okay, thanks.

    Venusaur shall begone.

    Heatran@Air Balloon
    Ability: Flash Fire
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 SpA
    -Flamethrower
    -Taunt
    -Protect
    -Stealth Rock

    Pinsir: Return over QA.

    Lucario: Yeah, they actually are. I may change to Crunch.
     
  17. KoL

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    Don't drop Quick Attack. A priority move that powerful on a sweeper is too valuable to drop, even if it results in two offensive moves matching a type on your set.
     
  18. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    Kay, maybe Swords Dance then? I don't think i've ever used it.
     
  19. KoL

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    Pinsir@Pinsirite
    Ability: Moxie
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 Speed/ 252 Atk / 4 HP
    -Close Combat/Return/Thrash
    -Quick Attack
    -X-Scissor/Return/Thrash
    -Swords Dance

    There's your set.
     
    #19 KoL, Jul 14, 2014
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2014
  20. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    Okay, thanks! I'll probably use Close Combat & Return.
     
  21. This team is really good! the only thing i would change is on Quagsire instead of the Jaboca Berry use a rocky helmet.
     
  22. Teapot

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    Why? What benefits do you feel it would bring?
     
  23. KoL

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    I think I can field that one: Jaboca Berry provides almost the exact same effect as Rocky Helmet, but only works once.
     
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  24. Green Dragon

    Green Dragon Formerly supertrainer300

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    Yah, that's a thought. Thanks!
     

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