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DPPt/HGSS Can my team beat Fire Red's E4?

Discussion in 'The Doctor's Clinic' started by Artemis, Mar 29, 2007.

  1. I want to know whether I stink or if I should train more befor I take on the Elite Four. If you think I could improve please tell me how so. Here's my team!

    Charizard Lvl. 66
    FlameThrower
    Cut
    Fly
    Bllast Burn

    Zapdos Lvl. 60
    ThunderWave
    Fly
    RockSmash
    SecretPower

    Marowak Lvl. 44
    Focus Energy (Really thinking of taking that one off :p)
    Bonemerang
    Rage
    False Swipe

    Onix Lvl. 48
    Dragonbreath
    Dig
    Slam
    Steel Tail

    Golbat Lvl. 45
    Wing Attack
    Confuse Ray
    Air Cutter
    HyperBeam

    Rapidash Lvl. 38
    Ember (Soon to change to Flamethrower)
    Stomp
    Fire Spin
    Agility

    There we are, I know it kinda stinks! But thats why im asking your opinion.
     
  2. trade out your rapidash for a good strong water type, maybe a water/ice like Dewgong, or a water/psychic like Starmie and level up. a lot. a whole lot. your Charizard might be ok, but the rest of your pokémon are WAY too weak to take out the elite four
     
    #2 Nieru, Mar 29, 2007
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  3. Sem

    Sem The Last of the Snowmen
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    Charizard
    -Flamethrower
    -Aerial Ace
    -Earthquake/Dragon Claw/Steel Wing
    -Earthquake/Dragon Claw/Steel Wing

    Zapdos
    -Rain Dance
    -Thunder
    -Drill Peck/Fly/Aerial Ace
    -Hidden Power Fighting/Rock Smash.

    Marowak
    -Bonemerang/Earthquake
    -Double Edge/Return (Only use Double Edge if Marowak has the Rock Head ability. Unless you don't mind recoil damage.)
    -Brick Break
    -Aerial Ace
    (Do make sure it's holding a Thick Club, if you don't have one then go Cubone/Marowak hunting and find one that's holding a Thick Club.)

    Onix
    -Rock Slide
    -Earthquake
    -Double Edge (Again, only if Onix has the Rock Head ability, if not then try Return.)
    -Iron Tail

    Golbat
    -Aerial Ace/Air Cutter
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Confuse Ray
    -Shadow Ball/Steel Wing

    And Rapidash isn't that great of a Pokémon anyway... >> Plus you already have Charizard, I'd try evening it out with a water type.

    Slowbro
    -Psychic
    -Surf
    -Ice Beam
    -Yawn

    OR

    Starmie
    -Surf
    -Ice Beam
    -Psychic
    -Confuse Ray

    All your Pokémon should AT LEAST be at level 55. If they're in the 55-60 range then you should be ok.
     
    #3 Sem, Mar 29, 2007
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  4. Carmen Lopez

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    To put it quite simply: No. Sem and Nieru are right: Any Pokemon below level 55 is asking to be torn apart. Since you may have no access to a Slowbro because you have FireRed, Starmie or even Lapras may be a good alternative to Rapidash. Thunderbolt, Surf, Psychic and Ice Beam need to make an appearence or two (or three) in your movesets. Toxic could be helpful too. However, it would be a good idea to make Cut and Rock Smash disappear from your movesets before challenging the E4. ;)

    I also recommend replacing either Marowak or Onix with a Psychic Pokemon. In my experience with the E4 I never even saw a need for a ground type Pokemon. Magneton would make a good choice simply because it's a steel type with good defense and special attack. It would help if you run into trouble with Agatha. A Snorlax with either the Immunity or Thick Fat ability and Brick Break would make a good addition to your team.
     
  5. Thanks! The odd part is (im not denying your info) is that I got to the 3rd member in the E4. Probably just lucky eh? Thx tho. Adios.
     
  6. Linkachu

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    No... I have to disagree with all these must be level 55 or above claims to defeat the Elite 4 - especially the first form of FR/LG's E4. I don't consider myself to be an extraordinary player of any sort, but it's not impossible to defeat them with a team in the low 50s/high 40s - not if you have enough heal items to back you up. I don't deny that it's smart to have all your Pokemon above 50, but it's not mandatory to beat them.

    What really matters most is how effectively you use your Pokemon, their movesets, and if you can heal at the right times to stay alive. Remember your type chart, and don't get reckless with who you send your Pokemon out against. Buy LOTS of hyper potions and full restores, and have lots of revives handy. Might cost you extra cash, but it'll save you from going psychotic with TM usage. If you're like me, you may not want to use all of your one-time TMs up on these particular Pokemon. That said, you could still replace many of your weaker physical attacks with buyable TMs, or even HMs. Even Strength is better than moves like Slam.
     
  7. Carmen Lopez

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    Maybe so. After all, my Pokemon we all around level 50-55 with my lowest being at 48 (and it only made ONE appearence in battle. it would've been killed otherwise) but it was a rough fight. And I'm still concerned about Rapidash and Marowak. Their levels just seem too low to do anything. A Dual water type could do wonders for this team.

    Maybe it was my bad luck it was a rough fight. But tell me Artemis, how difficult was it to reach Agatha. Especially without using any electric, water, or psychic attacks?
     
  8. Linkachu

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    Don't get me wrong. It would be easier if he/she replaced that Rapidash with a different type of Pokemon since Charizard is already on the team, I just don't agree with the level issue... and that's mainly from personal experience.

    Maybe other people need that extra level boost? Nothing wrong with that... It's just not the end all, be all. Since you can heal, you really don't need to match the E4s levels.
     
  9. as long as you arent going to get KO'd by a single attack or two, that is, after all, if you cant stop healing long enough to make an attack, there's no way you can win
     
  10. Linkachu

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    You still don't NEED to be level 55 to do that. I'm very much trying to refrain from "proving" that this is possible, because - like I said before - I don't consider myself an extraordinary player. But I did it, and do it, every time I challenge them.

    But ah well. There's no hurt in being powerful, I just personally hate leveling up beyond standard trainer battles. If I can make do with lower levels, even if it makes things a lot tougher, I'll still go for it. More challenging that way, too.
     
  11. meh, im an obsessive rpg player
    honestly i hate the way they force you to follow a guide of how fast you can level up, cuz personally, I'd pull what I do in FFVII and be level 20 before I reach Brock
     
  12. Linkachu

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    I'm an obsessive RPG player, too ;)

    With Pokemon, the wild Pokemon battles just don't seem to give you enough EXP. You waste hours on them and seem to get nowhere unless you find a really good location.

    In other RPGs, it's not always that bad. I love powering up my teams in FFVI and FFXII (though FFXII battling is just fun in general). Still, I have the notion that if you fight every battle you encounter and never run, you shouldn't have to level up. That's how I've viewed it ever since the NES days, and it's still how I see RPGs to this day... and it's not because I'm a half-assed RPG player. Anyone who'd assume that doesn't know me at all >>

    But back on topic we go! Artemis can determine his/herself how much leveling up they want to do.
     
  13. i would think so cause i amazingly beat the elite for with one 1 lv 60 and 2 lv 50s lol
     
  14. Actually it was easy... second time around i got to Gary "my Rival" i switched out some of my pokemon too so it helped.
     
  15. Maybe, the way i did it i had my charizard and a level 60 alakazam plus all three birds, articuno's ice beam is especially helpful for Lance and his dragon poke'mon
     

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